after so many years, why still penalise newbies ?
 

I often read about warning for ppl not to give out FL contacts to newbies with low poiints or those who never post FR for fear of them being undercover AV. But is this really effective ?

I believe right now some of the AV have accounts that are years back, with rep points of 5 or more. Is not like the AV only discovered this forum this year ! The moment the forum started, AV would have already register accounts here.

Posting of FR means that you are a true cheongster ? How you know if a FR is real or fake ? eg. I wan to get a FL contact name Chio Bu. But no one gives because I got no FR. So I go post a short and fake FR at any of the post. Copy and paste and edit a bit. I ask for contact again 10 mins later, woot ... I got it !

So ... do i make any senses ?

I understand some bro wanted to protect the girl. Be the protective man. But if they want to come out to do this, they must be prepared to face the consequences. If they are meant to be caught, they will be caught. Anyway they are not going to jail or anything, they just get deported. They can then try their luck at other countries. Then few years later, try their luck to enter Singapore again. Also by putting up restrictions, you are actually minimise their income. If they are in this line, they want to earn as much as they can in as short a period of time as possible then get out of here.

Re: after so many years, why still penalise newbies ?
 

Bro TS you have a valid point there. Some bros are also afraid to give out contacts to lowpointers to filter out the number collectors and kids. But that is also not foolproof as you can see some people with high points & power also behave like idiots.
These jealousy guarded contacts can be disappointing. One mans meat is another man's poison and her looks will grow on you are frequently used cliches. Better to recce GL and see with your own eyes.
You don't need points to get Fls. Walk around in GL and you will find the contacts that these guys are so protective over. How did you think they got it in the first place? For pinay contacts there are bros very generous to share in FLD2. The FLD1 OKT also don't care about points because they care about your money.

Re: after so many years, why still penalise newbies ?
 

What Bro Chelsea said is partly true. Despite efforts by some bros to protect their gems, if they were to be caught by AV, they would be caught somehow.

However, the act of limiting the sharing of contacts serves another purpose. It is to ensure, to a certain extent, that contacts are giving out to bros who appeared to be reasonable and reliable from their past postings.

From my experience, once a gem is introduced and offered to be shared, there are often more than enough business for the gems to handle. So limiting the sharing towards a certain group of people can help to prevent overloading, although it is not fair to the newbies. Maybe like what TC said, make some contributions, whether true or fake, to get out of the newbies class.

Re: after so many years, why still penalise newbies ?
 

Imo, there are pro and cons.
Pros = lesser chance of getting caught by AV
Cons = lesser potential business (not applicable for ang pais tho)

Re: after so many years, why still penalise newbies ?
 

I can understand that it is unfair to newbies but it is essential for newbies to be screened by seniors thoroughly before they can be cleared.

As you are aware, some newbies with 0 postings signed up and then asked for contacts to some joints like RSE, and other joints when threadstarters make it clear that only samsters with credible FRs can gain access thru them.

Who are those newbies? It might a reporter or undercover AV officer. Or some of them are mentally unsound, calling up gals just to ask questions, blackmailing them..

Then the gals dont come to Singapore to offer services if they are traumatised.

It was thru screening of the certified and suitable person with good record in the world of cheongsters that gals get bigger tips from horny and nice gentlemen who know how to respect the gals that they are willing to come to Singapore , knowing that majority of Singaporean guy are nice.


How does screening lead to less business for gals? The gals still earn monthly salary of a local newly appointed doctor or more. When they go back to LOS, PRC, their bank balances are 5 to 6 fig ranges in term of their country currency after paying off debts, etc.

Re: after so many years, why still penalise newbies ?
 

Well Bro Chelsea SPA & ang076 both said made Senses.....

Re: after so many years, why still penalise newbies ?
 

Huh, so you agree with who ? :)

Re: after so many years, why still penalise newbies ?
 

Both of u.... if u have a Lobang to share i believe it either keep it or share it but in a safe mode right cause u might going back to her again right.... :D

As what ang076 did mention that as well scan 1st, if that gal it really so unlucky there nothing we can do liao

Re: after so many years, why still penalise newbies ?
 

that's the problem, (senior)bros are still too narrow minded. i mean, think for a second, you think AVs are stupid?

AV1: hey lets nab all these prostitutes! but i dont know how..

AV2: oh i know! let's created new nicks at sbf and ask for contacts!

AV1: that's brilliant AV2! your are so smart!

see what i mean, do you really think AVs are really that dumb? of course they'll do their research and blend in, for godness sakes, these guys are doing undercovers. they have training and they actually use their brain to think.

but sadly, all these "newbies" still get the boot. and we have these "seniors" saying.. "oh we all have been there, it's a rite of passage." bullcrap.

there are still ball-less jerks with 5 rep points or more.

points or seniority doesnt mean crap for credibility. want to screen. judge the quality of their posts. there are those 5-7 point jerks if you look at their past post get away with contacts, while "newbies" who are actually true cheongster being discriminate and left out.

what's the results for that? yeah you guess it, fake FRs.

i know system in place is not perfect and so are we all here. but sometimes.. pls. use that brain and common sense for a change.

Re: after so many years, why still penalise newbies ?
 

What the fuck. Typed a long post and it disappeared. Shit Happens. ROFL.

:D

Dear Chelsea SPA,

Reading your thread, I decided to reply you to give you an insight into this so called injustice that you and many newbies might feel. In the old delphi days, the forum was quite different from what it is today. To cut the long story short, I'll leave the delphi forums and how SB started out initially.

Do understand that this so-called "not giving out of contacts to newbies process" today, has been nothing more than an evolution of the forum and its members over the last 5-7 years. Let me just digress a little, in the old days, there was alot of sharing of contacts, especially ONS exchange. One problem that happened on many occasions was that, the person who gave out the ONS contact would get Fucked by the ONS contact because the samster would say oh.. I'm so and so's friend.. then horror of horror, treat the ONS contact like a FL contact / give lewd calls etc.. which of course caused the ONS exchange to die off over the years.

There was no efficient way of separating the good samsters and the "bad" samsters. (As if anyone here are good.. LMFAO)..

The reputation system itself has been a matter of debate on many occasions and at the same time revised on numerous occasions. It is not the best method we have, in my own opinion it serves as nothing more then a novel way of self-regulation in the forum with plenty of humour and fun on the side as you watch samsters batte it out for the highest reputation point award. A zap can also be a matter of life and death to some samsters and you also see some samsters grovel at the feet of senior samsters so that they can be "cyberbuddies" and join in the clique.

It is crude but it does serve it's purpose. Do not take offence that newbies are victimized and that FL sharing is an entitlement, its not. Nobody needs to share their treasures. Imagine you having a fantastic fuck.. you might or might not want to share your gem, especially if its a FB. :D

Earn your wings and don't worry if you don't get that contact, move on. There's so many women prostituting around, why worry about a few pussies that you can't get.

Remember, every tree starts from a sapling.

Re: after so many years, why still penalise newbies ?
 

newbies are meant to contribute so that the forum can grow !

want to take must contribute

Re: after so many years, why still penalise newbies ?
 

LMFAO. Some of them will probably even zap you for that and post a comment like : "Take that! -7 points. FROM A narrow-minded samster"

I don't give a fuck about AVs and what samsters say about samsters posing as AV. For heaven's sake, if they wanted to do something, they would have done it already, jeez!

It's not a rite of passage. It's the best thing in the SBF forum that has evolved into what it is today, just like slice bread in the real world. As I mentioned in my previous post, don't whine about it. Take it like a real man. There's so many OKTs around who don't give a fuck about reputation points and how newbie you are.

Hallelujah! Got that right.

if points or seniority doesn't mean crap for credibility, then neither the quality of posts. Ask many old time members here who were fleeced in one way or another by a samster that had quality posts.. LOL.. and newbies are actually true cheongsters? That got me laughing..

Re: after so many years, why still penalise newbies ?
 

i was reading something when i came across this , which i thought was a good way to use reputation : to run SB by the community

from : FAQ - Stack Overflow

What is reputation?

Reputation is completely optional; normal use of Stack Overflow — asking and answering questions — does not require any reputation whatsoever.

As we've said all along — Stack Overflow is run by you! If you want to help us run Stack Overflow, you'll need reputation first. Reputation is a (very) rough measurement of how much the Stack Overflow community trusts you. Reputation is never given, it is earned by convincing other Stack Overflow users that you know what you're talking about.

Here's how it works: if you post a good question or helpful answer, it will be voted up by your peers: you gain 10 reputation points. If you post something that's off topic or incorrect, it will be voted down: you lose 2 reputation points. You can earn up to 200 reputation per day, but no more. (Note that votes for any posts marked "community wiki" do not generate reputation.)

Amass enough reputation points and Stack Overflow will allow you to go beyond simply asking and answering questions:
15 Vote up
15 Flag offensive
50 Leave comments
100 Vote down (costs 1 rep), create new tags
250 Vote to close or open your questions
500 Retag questions
750 Edit community wiki posts
2000 Edit other people's posts
3000 Vote to close any questions
5000 Delete comments on your posts
10000 Delete closed questions, access to moderation tools

At the high end of this reputation spectrum there is little difference between users with high reputation and moderators. That is very much intentional. We don't run Stack Overflow. The community does.

Re: after so many years, why still penalise newbies ?
 

im nt sure who started this system, but i guess d bro had in mind to give out contacts to bros who could supposedly be 'trusted'. other bros seem to like d system which had its fair share of success ... a trend started n stuck on til today.

i do emphatise with d TS. yes, what if a bro has 1000 pts? does it make him more 'trusted' than 1 with 10 pts? we r living in a cyber world in SB, there r all sorts of characters ard. i dun thk we can fully verify who can b trusted unless we knw d samster personally. i had read in prev posts hw a 'senior bro' cheated d PRC of her $. Yr pt abt AV is valid - whthr it's 10 pts or 1000 pts, both could still be an AV. however i thk psychologically, bros still pref to trust some1 who put in hard wk n earn their rep thru pts over d yrs rather than a newbie who just joined 3 mths ago with 10 rep pts n asking for contacts.

on FRs, i cant agree more tt some bros juz conveniently copied, altered n pasted n made it their own. again it's hard to verify d authenticity, so i guess it's best to leave it to d perogative of d contact giver to decide.

seriously, i oso cant thk of any better resolution to yr issue. Like some bros mentioned, it's oso a gd way to sieve out d contacts given out so tt at least some qty ctl is there. imagine if it's a free for all, d bro wd b a busy man giving out contacts everyday. n if d contact is posted openly, it may lead to lots of prob, eg d gal may get lots of prank calls, sabotage fr rivals, n easier access by AVs. any1 got better sugg??? :rolleyes:

Re: after so many years, why still penalise newbies ?
 

There is never a system that works perfectly. There's bound to a pros and cons to it. Just like the debate of mac vs windows / Explorer Vs FireFox Etc. However , the bro above did make out some interesting points to improve on Sb's current system.

Perhaps if like many others and you are unhappy with the system , like what my team in my company practices , make CONSTRUCTIVE suggestions. Let us ( or rather the boss ) see how a newer system that makes more sense and is more abuse proof can be implemented or evolve to from our current system. Though it may not be a flawless system or neither will it be accepted by the general public , at least it's the bits and pieces people can take and implement into their own.

But kudos to all bros here trying to make SB a better forum for all chiongsterS :D