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Re: Batam Info / Interest / Help Thread

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Originally Posted by Naka_Timo View Post
...is about sharing info and ownself anslysis
I have been reading and analyzing. There's certainly some reason/s for everything.

I followed and learn from successful countries who manage to contain the virus before it hits hard on their people.

And some of them were :

1. Using UV lights to sanitize rooms and large scale places. I mean hospitals in successful countries were using this method (Singapore too), why not me?

2. Using food-base alcohol to sanitize blind spots, hands and body parts, even on objects. I shall share about its weakness later in another post. (food-base alcohol do not means no other chemical involved)

3. I use sodium chloride and chlorine dioxide to sanitize things, hands and body parts even on objects. Except this is a much cheaper version. I mean Taiwan's been using it for decades. I saw on news that Vietnam is also using it. And they were some of the popular successful countries i am learning from.

(二氧化氯 = sodium dioxide, not sodium chloride )





4. I have been to less crowded places since i step into Batam in 2020 and earlier. Places in Batam i frequent were often lesser ventured into (can be noted in my past post before covid started).

5. I have been encouraging aunties and uncles to wear mask during their trips with me to Batam since Feb/Mar BEFORE the Singapore government starts encouraging its people to do so during April 2020. i even give them ONE FREE pink color mask each,hehehe...remember? My 1st box of mask i bought in Batam during CNY2020 at 20k rupiah,hehehe... (i even got criticized by others for that)

In my own analysis, people were saying that countries who manage to contain the virus w/o much damages were because of their respective governing bodies. But base on my own analysis, its MORE becos of each respective country's CULTURAL BEHAVIOR.

Hongkong : There was some street demonstration before the epidemic whereby people were told NOT to wear mask in public places. Or they will be arrest as being one of those demonstrator who create havoc. Lots of mask were snap up back then and it came to good use later during the covid-19 epidemic.

Taiwan : Every household has at least some mask with them. And they were rather popular for NOT listening to their governing body. Their governing body told them not wear mask at 1st, they did the direct opposite and start snapping up the mask in shops. Their governing body were also popular for giving in to its people, hence their language later switch to encouraging members of the public to wear a mask. Even give household some free mask during a time when Singapore governing body were STILL discouraging its people to wear a mask.

Vietnam : I am no expert on their culture but what i know that this country, covid or no covid time...wearing a mask were part of their daily life. I have been to Vietnam few times during non-covid time, as a tourist. In the street, 8-9 out of 10 of its people had mask on.

Now, i look again at those countries who suffered major damages. I am not going to name them,just talking about their culture, their daily behavioral gesture etc.

1. They greet each other face touching face. Sometime with a light kiss on each other's cheek.

2. They tends to hug each other during greetings.

3. They worship human rights. They believe in freedom of speech, expression and behavior, even to the extend those freedom is going to affect another person's freedom.

Example : "i choose NOT to put on a mask EVEN if i am not well, what can you do?" in those countries.

4. With a good environment of freedom, many who are used to those environment would feel difficult to adapt to a very restricted environment like that of a social lock down.

5. Majority of the people in those countries believes in Science. And they worship an organization that were constructed with its basis base on science. One of them were called, WHO.

Remember, WHO says mask dont protect a person from getting coronavirus? (but nobody actually ask the question why is medical staff in hospital wearing one) And it says there were no evidence of human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus? They were proven to be wrong at a later time. But already so many governing bodies in the world took their words for it for a few months period.

6. In one of the most developed country who suffered many deaths, one box of 50s face mask can cost as high as 125 USD at Amazon during April 2020. Not many could afford that kind of price. How i wish to could be the one buying 20k rupiah mask from Batam and bring it to US to sell it at 100 USD,hehehe....just joking here.

All of the above were analysis of my own.

I engaged a bit of common sense before i execute my plans. I ask myself questions. i learned from successful case/s. And try NOT to jump into conclusion out of impulse.

a) Why are many hospital/malls/public places using UV sanitizing, even in their air conditioning system? And even for rooms and public walkway? I asked myself.

b) Alcohol sanitizer is flammable, Everyone knows, its chemical/s contain harms the human skin one way or another.

c) 99% of soap contains Sodium laureth sulfate (aka SLS), the exact same thing can be found in washing detergent. Is it harmful to human? Probably even your toothpaste has SLS too,hehehe...

(definitely can find one of the below ingredient/s in sanitizer/soap)

d) Sodium chloride can be a health risk factor, according to the internet. Not going to elaborate on this, but on my personal scale find this safest among most if not all soap/sanitiser. (safest herein do not mean not harmful)

e) Many types of UV rays in different strength are harmful to living things, especially so to micro-organism.

f) A Taiwanese lady got into an accident becos she was wearing a face mask while riding a motorbike and during her ride, the strong wind blew her mask to cover her eyes. Hence the accident. It also cause allergy reaction, bruises on the face and shortness of breath to some medical staffs and members of the public too.




So, EVERY known ways written above were sort of harmful. But hospitals and medical facilities were still using it as a form of protection/weapon against current covid-19 epidemic. So, i can safely say, its either the higher risk of contracting the virus OR getting humanly harmed. Its a choice.

I use all those above collected data to form my own analysis, so as to create the safest environment in my own way if i were to travel to Batam in the near future.

My conclusion is, a tools i have, use it appropriately in its correct way, it becomes a useful tool. Use it in the wrong way around, it may hurt. The MOST suitable way for myself when it is being use correctly (and follow appropriately by "tool's" instruction) is my very own BEST way/s,hehehe...and yes, i did some modification so it better suits me (shall share in later post).

Learn from "successful" countries and engage some common sense.

Disclaimer note : My above analysis and whats written were opinion of my own, meant to serve as precaution solely for myself in my future trip/s to Batam.

27.05.2020 : Add-on to amend between sodium chloride and sodium dioxide.

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Originally Posted by BFOMF5 View Post
Bro think you make a mistake...

二氧化氯 = chlorine dioxide(ClO2)
Not
Sodium Chloride (NaCl) =氯化钠,
is in our common table salt 食盐
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Originally Posted by nono1973 View Post
Thank you for pointing that out.

Yes, the mistake was kind of deliberate. Because when i search for sodium chloride, all the things in the online market on what i was looking for regarding sodium dioxide turns up. Kind of becoming a habit for me already,hehehe...

Look at what google translate gave me :






My mistake.

Shall amend my post by adding yours into it later on to rectify.

The correct word i need to use should be "chlorine dioxide effervescent tablets" instead, and in short, i actually mean CLO2 instead of sodium chloride.
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