Followed by PI

[felinelust]

Originally Posted by ginlee888

annulment is better for woman? In what way?

Is that's the case, there will be more annulment than divorce.

their status will still be single mah. of cos better for them in status. but annulment more difficult to stand up in court cos the judge will ask all sorts of details.

annulment only allowed if there is no consummation of the marriage. and both parties got to prove that there is really no consummation. this is the reason why less annulment. once there is a kid, there can never be annulment.

[kaizer]

well, wadeva is it right.. why dun we tink of prevention rather den cure? if the guy had nvr "tao jiak", why would there be PIs following him all over the island? if wana eat out, not enuff of fls, flings, pros, dun get married ma.. if the couple love each other whole-heartedly, such things will never happen de right? it takes 2 hands to clap, dun haf right or wrong in such situation one, a failed marriage is a failed marrige, my point is married couple shld try to maintain their marriage and behave lor. it ain ez to take up a responsibility like dat. when such things happens, usually the one who suffer are the children.. so ya, wan a happi and xin fu family, shld learn to behave lor. this is e main reason why i still dun wana get married yet, muahahaz.!

tis juz my 2cents worth of comments, dun get offended hor.

[Garage1]

this is a very informative thread.. not that im involved but surely gain some basic knowledge..
maybe all the single men shld gather together for kopi

[babycheong]

Originally Posted by rams

This is exactly what I wanna ask. What if every single thing in the house is owned by the wife or under the wife's name and wife earns a lot more than husband in terms of monthly income? Even the house also paid by the wife 100%?
then what happens?

too bad, you still pay..maybe a little lesser but you still pay. The only way out is that your wife choose to reject the maintenance fee, only then you are "temporarily" released but she can still claims maintenance fee when she needs it. Not sure if it is the full amt from the start but they have the "right" to even though they refuse to accept it earlier.

BC

[Archilles]

Muslim Law on Divorcing....

You can't just divorce like that....they will make come for counselling before they see that its is a no way out of being divorce....& there's a few ways you can divorce your wife & only man can initiate the divorce...not the woman...

Talak satu or 1 :- you divorce her but still can reconcile....but must be within 3 months after the divorce is made official......if not....still can reconcile but she has to be married to another man & divorce by him either by oral initiation (spoken) or he passed on......then you can maryy her back...

Talak dua or 2 :- same as above......

Talak 3 :- almost same as the 1st but there's no reconciliation even within 3 months......automatically she has to marry again before it can take place....

In another word....its like being given 3 strikes....even if you said talak 1 three time...it still considered as 3 strike...& you're out....bottom line....the numbers must not adds up to 3....

You need to pay her alimony only once...she name her price & you bargain...maybe your father has this sicknes that need to be in hospital & you're his only son lah...any grandfather story lah....if the Syariah court find it true then they're the ones who will name the amount.....

Children...sad to say you have to bear full responsibilty (money wise) until they are old enough to support themselves.....if she takes the children the the court will tell you how much you have to pay for each child each month....you may have custody provided you can prove that she's incapable to take care of them....maybe she's on drugs or convicted....

Property...also a sad story...50/50...no choice....but some actually let this type of bitches have the house for the sake of the children....

Any questions so far....

[ginlee888]

Originally Posted by felinelust

their status will still be single mah. of cos better for them in status. but annulment more difficult to stand up in court cos the judge will ask all sorts of details.

annulment only allowed if there is no consummation of the marriage. and both parties got to prove that there is really no consummation. this is the reason why less annulment. once there is a kid, there can never be annulment.

yes, single status is better, but if they have a choice of single status and getting back at their hubby for maintenance fees and assets....which do you think they will choose?

The proving part for non-consumation is not difficult. Both parties just have to agree that they never had sex. Of course if got kid...you can't use this anymore and it will be divorce.

[babycheong]

Originally Posted by tionggoklan

Wah Lan! The law is so fuck-up 1? Even if wife got affair outside, when file for divorce, still got to pay her maintainance fees??? What bloody rationale is this? Means a woman can do anything she want after marriage cos even if she is wrong n if there is a divorce, she still wun lose out like in the case of a guy?

Women Charters was created at the time when they(women) do not or have little means of making a living on their own as housewife. During a divorce, they r deem to need some time to go back to the man dominating society, where wages for women is very low. So.......until the time someone decides to raise up that Women Charters is outdated for the current society...we shall continue to suffer

BC

I find that why the wife waste money to hire PI to follow the hubby. Just bcos to have an evidence to proceed with the divorce? So what if the wife got all the evidence, can the marriage be saved?? Subjective... Must as well save those money for the children in time of divorce.

[asdfghjkl]

bros.. anyone knows the rate of a PI as i think my partner is cheating me now..

[ginlee888]

Originally Posted by coolmen

I find that why the wife waste money to hire PI to follow the hubby. Just bcos to have an evidence to proceed with the divorce? So what if the wife got all the evidence, can the marriage be saved?? Subjective... Must as well save those money for the children in time of divorce.

dude, she is not wasting her money on the PI.

Because if she gets the evidence, her hubby is required by law to pay her back the PI fees and her legal fees. In addtion she might even get more maintenance fees.

So you see...it's a win-win game for her. But must be very confident that the hubby is cheating

BTW brothers, I contribute so much on this topic to let you guys know....if find it useful, at least give me some points ok...

[ginlee888]

Originally Posted by asdfghjkl

bros.. anyone knows the rate of a PI as i think my partner is cheating me now..

about 4-5K a week. also depends if she drives or not. If need to track into pubs or overseas, fees will be extra.

[Garage1]

again, thumbs up to this thread

brudder sexlover, if i'm not wrong, maintenance fees is calculated from d day u marry her til d day u divorce her.... u can choose 2 settle d payment in one lump sum o by installements as d court decides...

brudder japboy, maintenance fees is not calculated that way. maintenance fees is a figure derived from her expense for the rest of her life as long as she does not remarry. Also, considered in the maintenance fees is the standard of living before the divorce.

At the end of the day, it all boils down to your lawyer or your power of negotiation. Maintenance can be put to zero. Maintenance fee of $1 may look innocent but will be your ex-wife's tool to haunt you in the future should you have a win fall. She can go to court and vary the maintenance fee upwards.

Better solution is to consider all the matrimonial assets and maintenance fee as a whole and cancel out the maintenance fee.

Children does not necessarily go to the ex-wife if you can give a good reason to the Court to show that she is not a good mother and guidance to your kids. For example, neglect kid and spend more time with lover. That way, she gets nothing from the divorce. Normally, in such a situation, lover will leave her after a while.

[felinelust]

Originally Posted by ginlee888

yes, single status is better, but if they have a choice of single status and getting back at their hubby for maintenance fees and assets....which do you think they will choose?

The proving part for non-consumation is not difficult. Both parties just have to agree that they never had sex. Of course if got kid...you can't use this anymore and it will be divorce.

yes. agree. in the end, it still depends on the woman. some feels that keeping single status is more impt, some feels getting money and assets more impt. if a woman keeps single status and still taking maintenance, ppl will find out and her single status is not really single anymore mah.

for non-consumation, yes, as long as both party agree. but some women don't like to answer judge's questions on sex because if the judge finds something funny going on, he/she is going to ask very detailed questions on the sex life.

lastly, when the decree absolute is granted and if the woman does not ask for maintenance, that is, she chooses to reject the maintenance, she can never ask for maintenance after that. that is why, some woman keeps the $1 minimum maintenance because once there is a maintenance, she can ask for an increase in future provided she can prove that she needs more (eg. she kanna cancer, or she kanna accident and paralysed, etc)

[felinelust]

Originally Posted by dannyboyboy123

At the end of the day, it all boils down to your lawyer or your power of negotiation. Maintenance can be put to zero. Maintenance fee of $1 may look innocent but will be your ex-wife's tool to haunt you in the future should you have a win fall. She can go to court and vary the maintenance fee upwards.

yup. that's about right. except that it's not that scary lah bro.

minimum maintenance of $1 is for the woman to protect herself. even if you have a windfall or your salary increases by 100 times, she cannot anyhow vary upwards unless she can prove that she needs more to survive. eg. like the cases where she kanna terminal diseases or kanna paralysed and cannot work.

also, just as a woman can vary up, the man can also go to court and vary down. but cannot vary down to zero unless the woman decides to give up the maintenance halfway down the road. even if the man loses his job, still got to pay maintenance.